Through Conversations

Climate Change: Creeping Normality

Episode Summary

A conversation with Steve Oldham, Chief Executive Officer of Carbon Engineering Ltd.

Episode Notes

Steve Oldham is Chief Executive Officer of Carbon Engineering Ltd. (CE), a Canadian-based clean energy company. CE is focused on the deployment of groundbreaking Direct Air Capture technology that captures carbon dioxide directly out of the atmosphere so it can be stored deep underground or turned into clean transportation fuels.

Steve brings more than 20 years of executive experience to CE’s team, stemming from previous positions in technology, robotics, and aerospace sectors. He has played a lead role in a number of ‘Canada firsts’ in technology commercialization, including the first robot performing brain surgery, the first commercial radar satellite, robots that clean the inside of nuclear reactors, and satellites that service and repair other satellites. Steve holds a bachelor’s degree in mathematics and computer science from the University of Birmingham in England.

This conversation comes at a time when the pandemic has hit us hard and it has grabbed everyone’s attention. Still, climate change is perhaps the most pressing challenge we must face as a species. We touched on very interesting topics, including Steve’s trajectory, his vision for the long term and how Carbon Engineering impacts positively in it, the cost of addressing climate change today, and much more!

It is an honor to introduce to you, Steve Oldham. 

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Website - https://carbonengineering.com

TED Talk - How to pull the plug on climate change | Steve Oldham | TEDxPortland

Awesome Keynote by Steve - Turning CO2 into Fuel | Carbon Engineering CEO Steve Oldham

--- Highlights --- 

(3:00) Steve’s trajectory.

(5:15) How does Steve remind Himself that his endeavor is one that will be fruitful in the long haul?

(7:35) How does Direct Air Capture work?

(10:38) Once Carbon Engineering captures CO2 from the air, could we reuse it to fuel our cars or airplanes?

(11:51) Could we remove too much CO2 from the atmosphere?

(13:15) Putting CO2 back under the ground - - is this dangerous?

(15:20) How can Carbon Engineering disrupt the world in a non-disruptive way?

(17:27) What are some of the biggest challenges that Carbon Engineering is facing?

(19:19) How much would it cost us to address climate change today?

(23:00) How can we all become involved in this project?

(25:55) Closing remarks.

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Episode Transcription

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hey everyone! I am very excited to share

with you

 

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my conversation with Steve Oldham the

chief executive officer

 

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of Carbon Engineering a Canadian based

clean energy company

 

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Carbon Engineering is focused on the

deployment of groundbreaking direct air

 

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capture technology

that captures carbon dioxide directly

 

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out of the atmosphere

so, it can be stored deep underground or

 

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turned into clean transportation

fuels Steve brings more than 20 years of

 

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executive experience to carbon

Engineering’s team

 

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stemming from previous positions in

technology robotics

 

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and aerospace sectors he has played a

lead role

 

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in a number of Canada firsts in

technology commercialization

 

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including the first robot performing

brain surgery

 

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the first commercial radar satellite

robots that clean

 

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the inside of nuclear reactors and

satellites that service

 

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and repair other satellites Steve holds

a bachelor's degree

 

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in mathematics and computer science from

the university of Birmingham

 

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in England this conversation comes at a

time

 

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when the pandemic has hit us hard and it

has grabbed

 

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everyone's attention still climate

change is perhaps the most

 

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pressing challenge, we must face as a

species in the long term

 

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we touched on very interesting topics

including Steve’s trajectory

 

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his vision for the long term and how

Carbon Engineering

 

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is impacting positively in it the cost

of addressing climate change today

 

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and much more it is a great honor

to introduce to you

 

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Steve Oldham hey I’m here with

Steve Oldham in this edition of through

 

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conversations podcast

and climate change has been in

 

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our minds for a long time but right now

even the current crisis with the

 

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pandemic it seems to be

off the sides so I’m very honored to

 

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have you here in my podcast Steve

it's a privilege to be here and thank

 

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you very much yes thank you

and I would like to talk with you about

 

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tell me about yourself

how did you become interested in climate?

 

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change and how

how's your trajectory been unfolding

 

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until today

sure, so as you can probably tell from my

 

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accent I’m

British I come from Manchester

 

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and I moved to Canada in 1996

starting off as a software engineer and

 

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then I

the first part of my career was actually

 

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in space 

working on satellites and

 

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financing large satellite programs which

are expensive require a lot of money

 

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and I worked at a company called

McDonald that while

 

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doing that for best part of 20 years

the opportunity to move over to carbon

 

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engineering

came to me I was asked if I would be

 

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interested

in applying for the position and as soon

 

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as I looked into the company

and what it was doing and the mission

 

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of the company it was really clear that

this was something that

 

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I just had to do I have I have

kids

 

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I look around and I see the growing

but

 

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silent impact of climate change all over

and I think my generation

 

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and the generations before me we have a

responsibility to pass on

 

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the planet in just as good a state as we

found it and

 

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climate change and you can

look at the

 

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the parallel of the coronavirus 

climate change is crept up on us unaware

 

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if you like

but will have a massive impact on us

 

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way of life

so, when I saw what Carbon Engineering

 

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could do

it was just a no-brainer for me to

 

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to take the position and try and do my

best to bring the

 

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bring the technology to market wow

and yes, as you mentioned climate change

 

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is

some sort of crippling normalcy right we

 

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don't see

or we still haven't seen the immediate

 

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impact as

as a pandemic that we're

 

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seeing right now everyone's in our

in their homes and that's one of the

 

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biggest challenges right working in

climate change so

 

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how do you remind yourself that your

endeavor is one

 

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that is for the long haul how

are you keeping?

 

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a mindset to bring yourself into work

every day knowing that your work is

 

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will become fruitful in the long term so

that's a great question I’ve never

 

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been asked that before

so, I think I

 

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one of the key things so if I if I take

a step back when I when I joined the

 

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company

the company was not particularly

 

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well known and the technology was not

particularly well known

 

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and one of the top priorities that I had

was to increase the public awareness

 

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of what we do at Carbon Engineering and

how the technology could benefit climate

 

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change so

we have done a lot of work in the in the

 

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public relations domain

we've done ted talks we've done lots

 

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of articles we've

done videos we've really worked on

 

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education and

so, the reason I’m saying all of that is

 

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because it's through connections with

people like your podcast and the people

 

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who go see the ted talks the people who

comment on our YouTube videos

 

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and the people who come to us and say we

we really appreciate and recognize what

 

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you're trying to do

so that allows all of us in the company

 

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to stay focused on that inside our

building

 

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we have a notice board where we

pin up

 

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letters emails notes that we get from

people around the world

 

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who've seen what we're doing and

want to send a message back

 

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so that really helps us with the

long-term focus

 

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this is a long-term project 

it's something that will take a

 

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good amount of time to bring to a truly

global

 

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impact but things like that the

interaction with people

 

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really helps wow that's 

an answer I didn't expect to hear

 

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because for

for me it seems that on this side of the

 

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of the conversation or in the inside as

you are in Carbon Engineering it seems

 

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that

collective action is one of the

 

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things that has

the biggest the biggest take on

 

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how

do we deal with climate change and just

 

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listening that you have feedback from

people

 

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it's encouraging for me as well and

going

 

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into the long term so

talk to me about the specifics

 

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of direct air capture how does it

 

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work and

if I’m right now in Mexico City the

 

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altitude is very high would it be the

same

 

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efficiency here than in Miami for

example

 

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yeah so let me let me maybe start 

right at the top level about why direct

 

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I capture why does it make a difference

so

 

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director capture pulls co2 directly out

of the atmosphere

 

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and we hear a lot of talk about we

have to control emissions

 

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and that is important we do have to stop

emitting

 

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but it's really hard for every

single source of co2 emissions on the

 

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planet

to be stopped it's very hard to collect

 

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all that co2 from

literally billions of separate emitters

 

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so, what directive capture does for you

it gives you a tool to stop any emission

 

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from anywhere on the planet at any

moment in time

 

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by pulling the co2 emission back down

from the atmosphere again

 

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so, for example if we decide I 

I won't pick on a particular country but

 

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if we decide that we can't

decarbonize the use of fossil fuel in a

 

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particular location

because there's no other alternative

 

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sources of energy there and the people

in that community need energy for their

 

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way of life

instead do direct air capture and

 

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eliminate that carbon footprint by

capturing it

 

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afterwards so that's the fundamental

value of direct air capture

 

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any emission anywhere on the planet any

moment in time

 

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including yesterday's emissions and the

day before and the day before that we

 

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can clean all of those up

and there's really no other technical

 

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solution that allows you to do that

electric cars are fantastic but they

 

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don't decarbonize

airplanes or agriculture or steel making

 

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it's just one source of emissions that

they decarbonize

 

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so that's the fundamental value of

direct air capture

 

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there are two types of technology to do

that in the world

 

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one is to use a solid absorbent where

you absorb co2 into some kind of solid

 

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think of like a sponge

yeah then you replace the sponge 

 

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our technology is to use a liquid a

chemical liquid

 

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rely on chemical reactions and then we

regenerate the chemicals that we use

 

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as we go about the process so we

don't have to replace the sponge

 

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and just to come back to your

question about location

 

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co2 in the atmosphere is uniformly

spread

 

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so, it really doesn't matter if we locate

a plant in

 

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Mexico City or in the middle of the

Sahara Desert

 

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fundamentally with atmospheric winds you

you're pulling the same amount of co2

 

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to a non-into a non-significant factor

it really doesn't matter wow that's

 

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very encouraging to hear and 

as you say creating liquid from co2

 

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sounds very

very futuristic like I imagine

 

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star trek

doing that not using it for

 

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gasoline for example so how

how does it work I can use co2?

 

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to fuel my car

is that being that feasible with carbon

 

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engineering so now

what you so fundamentally when some

 

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once we've captured co2 from the air

you can combine it with hydrogen and

 

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when you combine co2 and hydrogen

you make a hydrocarbon and hydrocarbons

 

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can be

kerosene that's jet fuel it can be

 

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diesel it can be gasoline

so, when you make that fuel from

 

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atmospheric co2 you're essentially

recycling its carbon footprint

 

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because the co2 was pulled out of the

atmosphere in advance

 

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when you drive your car, you produce co2

and it goes into the atmosphere there's

 

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no way no way for it to come back

what we do when we make fuel is, we take

 

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your co2 emission

in advance make a fuel and then when you

 

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drive your car

you put the co2 back and we pull it back

 

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and make more fuel again

so, it becomes a circle wow

 

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and I’m trying to just because 

if I’m being fully disclosed here, I’m

 

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such a big fan of you and carbon

engineering I’m just trying to play

 

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devils abdicate for a second would it

be possible to

 

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take too much co2 out of the

environment is it 

 

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would it be negative to take too much?

co2

 

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I mean so too to remove

enough co2 to just bring us back to sort

 

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of a one-and-a-half-degree scenario

is a colossal amount of co2

 

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so, we shouldn't kid ourselves about the

scale of the problem

 

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so is it theoretically possible that we

could remove too much

 

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co2 sure but it would require

an enormous number of plants running for

 

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many

years and one of the good things about

 

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direct air capture is if you think

there's a negative

 

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impact you just turn it off you turn the

machines off

 

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and you stop the problem so unlike

 

 

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some of the solutions proposed for some

of the more

 

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adventurous solutions to address climate

change things like 

 

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using volcanoes putting 

chemicals into the atmosphere those are

 

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things you can't reverse

you get that wrong and you're stuck with

 

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it

whereas direct air capture you can turn

 

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them off

yeah that's amazing and that's a

 

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great point

so, one of the things besides

 

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using it for to mix it with hydrogen and

use it for jet fuel

 

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is to put it beneath our

surface as the same way as we

 

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we've taken out of the surface now we're

trying to put it back in

 

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are there any risks with it or is it

just

 

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some natural thing that happens in

nature

 

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co2 should be inside of the earth

so, I mean so it's a very good

 

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question a very relevant question

so yes, there is co2 already

 

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underground in certain locations around

the world as a gas

 

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it's trapped there in a geological

formation for example

 

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so, we know that we with the right

geological formations can store co2

 

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underground

but you wouldn't do this for example I’m

 

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in here

I’m here in British Columbia in Canada

 

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we're in an earthquake zone

so, you wouldn't sequester co2 as a gas

 

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in British Columbia’s coast because of

the danger of

 

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potentially an earthquake so

the most critical

 

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thing to understand is you have to

choose the right location

 

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to put co2 back underground again once

you've done that

 

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there has never been to the best of our

knowledge as a company

 

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a single safety incident that has

resulted from putting co2 underground

 

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so, it's all about choosing the right

location

 

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in the united states the department of

energy has done a survey

 

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of just the us and the locations where

co2 be put underground

 

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and they've calculated that there is

enough capacity to store a hundred years

 

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of the entire planet's emissions

just in the united states wow so storage

 

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is not the problem

if we do it correctly and in the right

 

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places

wow that's the data that I didn't

 

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wow 100 years’ worth it's amazing

it's difficult to wrap my head

 

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around

the fact that we can I would say

 

0:15:12.800,0:15:16.160

engineer our way to solve this

problem and one of the

 

0:15:16.160,0:15:19.760

biggest issues or one of the biggest

arguments

 

0:15:19.760,0:15:23.839

against this from my end when I try to

talk with people about climate change

 

0:15:23.839,0:15:26.480

and the

feasible solutions are there is this

 

0:15:26.480,0:15:30.320

resistance to

innovation right there is we don't want

 

0:15:30.320,0:15:36.240

our lifestyles to be disrupt

so, I know that one of the biggest

 

0:15:36.240,0:15:39.680

feats of Carbon Engineering are that it

doesn't do that so could you elaborate

 

0:15:39.680,0:15:43.519

on how

does Carbon Engineering disrupt in a

 

0:15:43.519,0:15:48.560

non-disruptive way the market

yeah so, you've obviously heard me say

 

0:15:48.560,0:15:52.079

that I like to refer to ideology as a

non-disruptive

 

0:15:52.079,0:15:56.320

disruptive technology yes and what do I

mean by that so I mean

 

0:15:56.320,0:16:00.240

it's a disruptive technology because it

has the capability to make a

 

0:16:00.240,0:16:05.199

really material impact on one of the

biggest challenges we face as a species

 

0:16:05.199,0:16:10.880

right now, which is climate change

however, I say it's non-disruptive why

 

0:16:10.880,0:16:14.079

because for example it's going to take

us

 

0:16:14.079,0:16:18.240

a long time to move off fossil fuels

that is the hard

 

0:16:18.240,0:16:22.560

reality of the situation there'll always

be some people who say we should

 

0:16:22.560,0:16:26.880

immediately abandon fossil fuels but

fossil fuels drive our economy

 

0:16:26.880,0:16:31.360

they drive the health of our people they

drive the development of new nations

 

0:16:31.360,0:16:36.320

we can't just instantaneously replace

them with renewable energy so

 

0:16:36.320,0:16:39.680

how do you decarbonize while continuing

to use

 

0:16:39.680,0:16:43.920

energy and fossil fuels well you clean

up the mess afterwards

 

0:16:43.920,0:16:47.839

and that's what direct air capture does

it pulls the co2 back down puts it back

 

0:16:47.839,0:16:51.759

on the ground again

so that in my view means that our

 

0:16:51.759,0:16:57.680

technology is non-disruptive

so we can continue to use fossil fuels

 

0:16:57.680,0:17:01.600

while giving ourselves the time to move

to renewable electricity

 

0:17:01.600,0:17:06.319

and decarbonize at the same time so it's

a non-disruptive destructive technology

 

0:17:06.319,0:17:10.319

yes, I love the way that you put it and

it's great to listen to it

 

0:17:10.319,0:17:16.839

and for every listeners to hear you

say it and disruptive that's a word that

 

0:17:16.839,0:17:22.319

disrupts if I may say that

and one of the big things that I keep

 

0:17:22.319,0:17:26.240

asking myself is 

a company such as you as yours and you

 

0:17:26.240,0:17:30.960

know being a co2 in such a

a great company what are some of the

 

0:17:30.960,0:17:35.360

unknown unknowns that you think of

while trying to implement this

 

0:17:35.360,0:17:38.000

technology in the world and in the

future

 

0:17:38.000,0:17:42.400

so, I think the number one thing

and I say this to anybody who

 

0:17:42.400,0:17:45.760

comes to our company to talk

about

 

0:17:45.760,0:17:49.840

investing into it or something similar

the biggest challenge

 

0:17:49.840,0:17:53.120

is the recognition that we need to have

as a planet

 

0:17:53.120,0:17:58.400

that there is a cost to climate change

and if there is a cost to climate change

 

0:17:58.400,0:18:02.640

there is a value

to remove carbon from the atmosphere and

 

0:18:02.640,0:18:06.720

if there is a value

we should be prepared to pay for it and

 

0:18:06.720,0:18:10.720

that is hard for us to take

as all collectively why I would

 

0:18:10.720,0:18:14.880

spend money today

to solve a problem that will occur in

 

0:18:14.880,0:18:19.679

the future

so for us we have no business

 

0:18:19.679,0:18:23.679

and we will be out of business if people

don't recognize

 

0:18:23.679,0:18:28.559

that it is worth paying to address

climate change

 

0:18:28.559,0:18:31.600

so that is the biggest thing that keeps

me awake

 

0:18:31.600,0:18:36.559

every single night you will always have

a segment of the population who doesn't

 

0:18:36.559,0:18:40.000

believe climate change is real

you'll always have politicians and

 

0:18:40.000,0:18:44.080

policy makers

who are seeking to save money today and

 

0:18:44.080,0:18:47.840

cut budgets today

but I go back to a fundamental thing you

 

0:18:47.840,0:18:51.200

know I said at the start of the

conversation I have children and I think

 

0:18:51.200,0:18:55.440

our generation has a responsibility

you talk to parents you talk to

 

0:18:55.440,0:18:57.760

grandparents and they always say the

same thing I do

 

0:18:57.760,0:19:01.600

anything for my kids but we're not

willing

 

0:19:01.600,0:19:05.520

to turn over a certain amount of our

current income to solve this problem in

 

0:19:05.520,0:19:08.160

the future

so that our kids have the same world we

 

0:19:08.160,0:19:13.280

have it's crazy

we have to make the decision to do that

 

0:19:13.280,0:19:17.039

yes, I absolutely agree and echoing what

you said

 

0:19:17.039,0:19:21.919

that that brings into my to my mind your

ted talk and you mentioned GDP

 

0:19:21.919,0:19:26.320

spending and how

how much of that we spend on

 

0:19:26.320,0:19:30.160

Christmas for example which is I think

three percent correct me if I’m wrong

 

0:19:30.160,0:19:34.480

three to four percent

yeah when we were looking at how to try

 

0:19:34.480,0:19:39.120

and find a way to make people

understand that the amount of money you

 

0:19:39.120,0:19:42.480

need to make a material impact in the

fight against climate change we looked

 

0:19:42.480,0:19:44.720

at

various things that were roughly the

 

0:19:44.720,0:19:48.480

same amount of money

and Christmas the money we

 

0:19:48.480,0:19:52.880

spend on coffee

the money we spend on alcohol those

 

0:19:52.880,0:19:55.520

types of things and

and of course, I’m not suggesting to

 

0:19:55.520,0:19:59.039

anybody we should cancel Christmas or

people stop drinking coffee

 

0:19:59.039,0:20:02.640

but I’m trying to make people aware

of the fact that

 

0:20:02.640,0:20:06.000

it's really not that big a deal and

again

 

0:20:06.000,0:20:09.280

look at the current virus governments

around the world

 

0:20:09.280,0:20:15.360

correctly have immediately mobilized

and spent money on addressing this

 

0:20:15.360,0:20:18.880

problem

a similar amount of money would address

 

0:20:18.880,0:20:23.280

climate change

well but because we can't see it today

 

0:20:23.280,0:20:26.799

because it's in the future and it's not

threatening us now like the virus

 

0:20:26.799,0:20:32.080

threatens us now

it's not happened yes and

 

0:20:32.080,0:20:35.440

that that's the biggest problem

that's the biggest problem and I

 

0:20:35.440,0:20:38.880

and I share it with you, and I

don't have kids

 

0:20:38.880,0:20:43.919

now I and I don't plan to have them

anytime soon but I do

 

0:20:43.919,0:20:48.000

I do think of there is no better way of

spending my

 

0:20:48.000,0:20:51.520

time here on earth than trying to make

it was better

 

0:20:51.520,0:20:55.520

or as equal as I received it 

for me it's a it's a different context

 

0:20:55.520,0:20:59.280

than

your generation or our past generations

 

0:20:59.280,0:21:02.880

but doing something in accordance

to that is

 

0:21:02.880,0:21:08.240

is something that I look up to and

it's one of the biggest difficulties in

 

0:21:08.240,0:21:10.799

the human mind try to wrap our hands

around that

 

0:21:10.799,0:21:13.840

our children will we would like them

to

 

0:21:13.840,0:21:17.679

to flourish in an earth that they can

have the decision between

 

0:21:17.679,0:21:22.080

spending their time on a Christmas

eve or spending their time having a beer

 

0:21:22.080,0:21:24.000

with their friends but climate

change

 

0:21:24.000,0:21:28.960

threats every single part of our lives

and that's one of the biggest

 

0:21:28.960,0:21:33.360

insights that I’ve had without solving

climate change there would be no

 

0:21:33.360,0:21:36.400

cost of opportunities to do anything

else right

 

0:21:36.400,0:21:39.440

yeah and I think I think we

are

 

0:21:39.440,0:21:44.159

reaching a tipping point in recognition

that we have to do something about

 

0:21:44.159,0:21:48.000

climate change 

public awareness the flight

 

0:21:48.000,0:21:52.000

shaming

everything Greta Thunberg has done 

 

0:21:52.000,0:21:54.640

the

government studies by the united

 

0:21:54.640,0:21:58.640

nations the IPCC

and others all of these things are

 

0:21:58.640,0:22:02.159

building more and more awareness

you're seeing companies like Microsoft

 

0:22:02.159,0:22:06.080

and amazon committing to be net zero or

even net negative in the case of

 

0:22:06.080,0:22:08.720

Microsoft

you're seeing governments around the

 

0:22:08.720,0:22:11.280

world starting to say we will be net

zero

 

0:22:11.280,0:22:17.840

by 2050 what you haven't seen yet

is the plan to get there it's great to

 

0:22:17.840,0:22:20.000

set a target

but then you've got to put a plan in

 

0:22:20.000,0:22:26.640

place so I’m hoping that's the next step

and I hope that as people look

 

0:22:26.640,0:22:30.080

at the impact of the virus

and we all say god I wish we'd spent

 

0:22:30.080,0:22:35.280

more money on

setting up investigations into

 

0:22:35.280,0:22:40.080

into into viruses and how to prevent

them and we all wish we had that

 

0:22:40.080,0:22:43.200

capability in advance

we need to do the same thing on

 

0:22:43.200,0:22:48.559

climate change we need to set it up now

yes, and one of the biggest

 

0:22:48.559,0:22:52.880

arguments of the causes from this virus

has been climate change

 

0:22:52.880,0:22:57.039

accelerated and it's not just a it's not

something that

 

0:22:57.039,0:23:00.720

it's impossible to think of right there

there are legitimate threats to

 

0:23:00.720,0:23:05.520

to the way we live in and climate change

solving it can address many of those

 

0:23:05.520,0:23:09.120

and you mentioned people and you

mentioned citizens so

 

0:23:09.120,0:23:13.520

what can citizens do to help policy

makers become more aware of this problem

 

0:23:13.520,0:23:16.000

and

and big companies how can we all

 

0:23:16.000,0:23:20.159

become involved

so, I think again it's a great

 

0:23:20.159,0:23:22.960

question

I think there’s two things first of

 

0:23:22.960,0:23:26.159

all is awareness

get educated there are

 

0:23:26.159,0:23:29.840

solutions to climate change

not just technologies like ours

 

0:23:29.840,0:23:32.880

there are a whole

suite of technologies that can make a

 

0:23:32.880,0:23:37.039

significant difference

and then the second thing is we

 

0:23:37.039,0:23:41.919

collectively as a society

we need to make carbon footprints like

 

0:23:41.919,0:23:45.679

I’ll choose drink driving 

drink driving is

 

0:23:45.679,0:23:52.400

totally socially unacceptable these days

and 20 30 years ago, maybe a

 

0:23:52.400,0:23:54.960

little bit further that

it wasn’t people would go to

 

0:23:54.960,0:23:57.760

the pub or restaurants and then drive

home

 

0:23:57.760,0:24:01.440

now it is socially unacceptable we need

to make

 

0:24:01.440,0:24:05.200

carbon footprints socially unacceptable

so, for example

 

0:24:05.200,0:24:08.320

writing to your the brands that you like

and use

 

0:24:08.320,0:24:14.159

and saying I won't buy your brand

anymore unless you become carbon neutral

 

0:24:14.159,0:24:19.360

and growing the pressure on on companies

and then governments as well through the

 

0:24:19.360,0:24:23.520

ballot box 

and through advocacy those are the

 

0:24:23.520,0:24:27.679

things I

personally, believe that companies

 

0:24:27.679,0:24:31.520

and individuals can make this change

faster

 

0:24:31.520,0:24:35.279

governments take time you have to wait

for a cycle of voting

 

0:24:35.279,0:24:38.400

then along comes a government they have

to work through a process

 

0:24:38.400,0:24:42.320

everything takes time to put policy and

so on in place

 

0:24:42.320,0:24:47.520

a company like a Microsoft can announce

that they're going to start going carbon

 

0:24:47.520,0:24:49.760

neutral

and immediately start putting the

 

0:24:49.760,0:24:52.400

policies in place and the practices in

place

 

0:24:52.400,0:24:56.320

so, I encourage people to be advocates

for

 

0:24:56.320,0:25:02.080

requiring the companies, the politicians

the municipalities the cities that they

 

0:25:02.080,0:25:07.360

work for live for and are part of

and demand that they become net zero

 

0:25:07.360,0:25:09.600

wow

thank you for your answer and

 

0:25:09.600,0:25:14.480

just adding

up to that is everyone wants to

 

0:25:14.480,0:25:19.919

I dare to say that most of us want

progress and want to improve things

 

0:25:19.919,0:25:26.320

and just addressing these

issues a pressing one and also one that

 

0:25:26.320,0:25:31.600

as my beginning question with you was

having an eyesight for the long haul

 

0:25:31.600,0:25:34.240

and trying to

to share with our kids our own

 

0:25:34.240,0:25:39.760

experiences and my future kids

the ones that I are not here yet it's

 

0:25:39.760,0:25:42.480

trying to share them

the opportunity to flourish as human

 

0:25:42.480,0:25:47.200

beings and even though this is

some sort of an invisible threat

 

0:25:47.200,0:25:50.480

which

I don't believe it is it's

 

0:25:50.480,0:25:54.240

necessary that we keep

pushing an agenda of well-being for

 

0:25:54.240,0:25:58.480

everyone so Steve

I don't want to take more time off of

 

0:25:58.480,0:26:00.880

you is there anything else you would

like to add

 

0:26:00.880,0:26:05.200

before we wrap up let me just give you

one more example I think it

 

0:26:05.200,0:26:08.880

I think it's useful to kind of let

people

 

0:26:08.880,0:26:11.919

think of how to do address climate

change

 

0:26:11.919,0:26:15.279

and that it's possible and the example

that I that I give

 

0:26:15.279,0:26:18.960

is part of the ted talk that you

watched is water treatment

 

0:26:18.960,0:26:23.679

yes, so 100 years ago a

couple of generations back

 

0:26:23.679,0:26:29.360

water was killing people in cities and

it was a huge health hazard you

 

0:26:29.360,0:26:32.480

could see it

people next door would get ill and die

 

0:26:32.480,0:26:37.279

because of color or typhoid

so, then we invented the technology for

 

0:26:37.279,0:26:40.799

to treat water

and now every government in the world

 

0:26:40.799,0:26:44.000

with a small number of exceptions and

locations

 

0:26:44.000,0:26:48.720

provide clean water and all of us as

citizens of the world when we visit

 

0:26:48.720,0:26:52.640

somewhere we

expect that the water won't kill us it's

 

0:26:52.640,0:26:56.480

become

a government-provided capability yeah

 

0:26:56.480,0:27:00.640

well here in the 21st century

it's the air that is going to kill our

 

0:27:00.640,0:27:03.840

way of life

the atmosphere the climate change is

 

0:27:03.840,0:27:08.880

going to make a massive difference to us

but we have the technologies to solve it

 

0:27:08.880,0:27:11.840

so, we need to do the same thing instead

of the water treatment industry

 

0:27:11.840,0:27:15.279

in the 21st century we need an air

treatment industry

 

0:27:15.279,0:27:18.640

and we need governments to put that in

place

 

0:27:18.640,0:27:21.679

and we've done it before we did it with

water was

 

0:27:21.679,0:27:24.720

everywhere people everywhere on the

planet use water

 

0:27:24.720,0:27:28.720

we solved that problem we can solve this

one too

 

0:27:28.720,0:27:33.200

wow well thank you for saying that and

just to wrap up I just want to say

 

0:27:33.200,0:27:37.200

that

I really look up to you and listening

 

0:27:37.200,0:27:39.600

that

you're in it for the long haul gives me

 

0:27:39.600,0:27:43.440

encouragement even though I’m

still young and still in the process of

 

0:27:43.440,0:27:48.640

getting a career

having people within my circle of people

 

0:27:48.640,0:27:51.520

who I look up to

you're one of those and carbon

 

0:27:51.520,0:27:56.320

engineering is as well just a

encouragement that you people give us

 

0:27:56.320,0:27:59.840

give

people like me to create something

 

0:27:59.840,0:28:04.159

and work on something bigger than us

which is

 

0:28:04.159,0:28:07.600

amazing it just I’m very grateful with

you for that so

 

0:28:07.600,0:28:10.799

thank you thank you Steve well thank you

for your time Alex thank you for your

 

0:28:10.799,0:28:15.120

interest

and best of luck thanks take care

 

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